Podcast
India’s Investment Revolution: From Trading Floors to Everyday Portfolios
In a conversation on Simple Hai!, Vivek Law spoke to Dinshaw Irani, Managing Director and CEO of Helios India, tracing India’s journey from a fledgling stock market to a deeply embedded investment culture.
From Limited Access to Nationwide Participation
India’s mutual fund industry had expanded to reach 99% of the country’s PIN codes, surpassing even Amazon. This reflected a fundamental shift, investing was no longer limited to metros or a niche group but had become widely accessible. Irani noted that this broad participation strengthened market resilience, with domestic investors cushioning volatility during periods of foreign selling.
A Market That Transformed
Three decades earlier, markets had operated through open outcry systems with limited access and transparency. The transition to electronic trading opened Indian markets to the world, improving efficiency and participation. Irani recalled that this shift marked the moment India truly connected with global capital, making markets more transparent and accessible.
The Evolution of Investor Behaviour
The most significant change had been behavioural. Earlier, markets were driven by tips and short-term thinking and were often viewed as speculative. Irani pointed out that investors had become far more disciplined. SIPs encouraged long-term investing, and equities came to be seen as a structured avenue for wealth creation. Investing in mutual funds was no longer questioned within households and was increasingly encouraged.
Why India’s Growth Story Supported Markets
India’s position as an emerging economy continued to support long-term market growth. Irani explained that the need for capital, relatively higher inflation, and the constant emergence of new sectors created strong structural tailwinds. While corrections did occur, the broader trajectory remained upward.
Mid and Small Caps: Where Growth Lay
Mid- and small-cap companies showed stronger earnings recovery after a phase of slowdown. Irani said these companies had emerged leaner, with lower leverage and improved efficiency, positioning them well for growth, though he cautioned that selectivity remained critical.
The Logic of Elimination Investing
A key philosophy at Helios was “elimination investing.” Irani explained that instead of trying to pick winners directly, the focus had been on removing companies with weak fundamentals, poor governance, or unsustainable models. What remained, he said, was a more robust set of opportunities with fewer chances of major mistakes.
Active vs Passive: A Clear Preference
On the active versus passive debate, Irani maintained a clear preference for active management. While passive investing was cost-effective, he argued it lacked flexibility. Active investing allowed fund managers to take sharper calls, avoid weak sectors entirely, and aim for outperformance through stock selection.
Consumption as a Structural Driver
India’s growth was increasingly driven by domestic consumption. Irani highlighted that a young, aspirational population reshaped demand patterns, while rising participation of women in financial decisions brought more structure to spending. Together, these trends created a strong foundation for long-term growth.
Investing Required Discipline
Irani emphasised that investing was not a casual pursuit. It required time, expertise, and consistency. For most individuals, professional fund management offered a practical route, while the investor’s role was to stay committed and avoid reactive decisions.
The Bigger Picture
India’s investment ecosystem had become more inclusive and mature, backed by strong domestic participation and improving investor behaviour. Irani believed the shift from speculation to disciplined investing marked a defining change, with the real challenge no longer being access, but the ability to stay invested long enough to benefit from compounding.
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REITs Can Make Commercial Real Estate More Accessible to Retail Investors
The Chairperson of the Indian REITs Association explains how REITs offer income, liquidity and diversification, making commercial real estate more accessible to retail investors.
In a conversation on Simple Hai! with Vivek Law, Shirish Godbole, Chairperson of the Indian REITs Association and CEO of Knowledge Realty Trust, explained how Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs) can help retail investors access commercial property. The discussion covered income potential, liquidity, mutual fund access and India’s office market, where demand from global capability centres (GCCs) continues to grow.
From Physical Property to Listed Investments
Real estate remains popular in India, but owning a property is not the only way to invest in it. Residential properties may offer rental income and appreciation, yet rental yields can be low. Maintenance, taxes and the time needed to sell can also affect returns.
REITs pool income-generating properties into professionally managed, exchange-listed investment vehicles. Investors can buy and sell units through a demat account, much like shares, without having to purchase or manage a building themselves.
Commercial properties, particularly offices, can earn rent from multiple tenants. After meeting operating expenses and other obligations, the trust distributes cash flows to unit holders. Investors may also benefit from changes in property valuations and portfolio growth through acquisitions, development or improvements.
Income, Liquidity and Distributions
Law asked how REIT distributions compare with rental income from residential property. Godbole said REITs offer exposure to commercial real estate without the responsibilities of managing tenants or maintaining buildings.
Under the regulatory framework discussed, REITs must distribute at least 90% of their net distributable cash flows to unit holders. Distributions are generally quarterly, though amounts and tax treatment can vary. Godbole cited yields of around 6% as a broad illustration, while stressing that investors should consider taxes, costs and the underlying investment. Returns are not guaranteed.
Listed REIT units can generally be traded on stock exchanges during market hours, unlike physical property, which may take time to sell. However, unit prices can fluctuate and investors may face capital losses.
A Small Investor Base and the Need for Awareness
Godbole said India has fewer than five lakh REIT investors, compared with around six crore mutual fund investors cited during the discussion. He sees this gap as a sign of limited awareness. Investors familiar with shares and mutual funds may not know how REITs work or how they can fit into a diversified portfolio.
REITs are not limited to high-net-worth individuals. Investors can buy listed units through a demat account or gain exposure through mutual funds. Godbole said investor education is a priority for the Indian REITs Association and the wider industry. Financial advisers and distributors need to explain both the potential benefits and risks.
Mutual Funds Could Expand Access
Godbole said the recognition of REITs as equity products in 2026 could widen access through equity mutual funds. Previously, mutual funds accessed REITs through certain other fund structures. Broader eligibility could help more investors gain indirect exposure through professionally managed portfolios.
He also highlighted cost transparency. Investors can buy listed REIT units directly without the traditional commission structure associated with some products, although brokerage, applicable taxes and other transaction costs still apply. Wider adoption will depend on making REITs easier to understand and helping advisers explain their role in a portfolio.
Geopolitical Uncertainty and India’s Property Market
Law raised concerns about geopolitical tensions and their effect on commercial property valuations, particularly after pressure in parts of West Asia. Godbole said India’s market differs from those that rely heavily on overseas capital flows. Domestic economic growth and rising consumption, he argued, provide a stronger foundation for the sector.
Higher crude oil prices can weigh on growth, but Godbole does not expect India’s property market to face a sharp correction similar to declines in some overseas markets. He remains positive about office real estate demand, while acknowledging that property values can rise or fall with market conditions.
GCCs Drive Demand for Offices
Global capability centres (GCCs) are an important source of demand for office space. Godbole said India’s skilled workforce, English-language capabilities and established technology services sector make it attractive to global companies. Demand spans technology, data management, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence and other specialised services. Remote and distributed working has also made it easier for international firms to build teams in India.
Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Pune and Gurugram benefit from large talent pools. Godbole noted that companies hiring thousands of skilled workers look for locations with established workforces and supporting infrastructure. Transport, schools, housing and entertainment also help attract and retain employees. He cited Hyderabad as an example of how investment in infrastructure and social amenities can support employment and commercial property growth.
The Next Phase of REIT Growth
Godbole sees opportunities beyond offices, including warehousing, logistics, data centres and student accommodation. During the interview, he put India’s REIT market capitalisation at roughly Rs 2 lakh crore, or around USD 20 billion. He hopes it will reach about USD 40 billion by 2030 and move towards USD 100 billion over the following decade.
The industry also wants to grow its investor base from around five lakh to 15–20 lakh over the next five to six years. Godbole said this will require sustained awareness and distribution efforts, alongside new investment products and the expansion of existing REITs.
Real Estate in a Diversified Portfolio
Godbole did not suggest that REITs should replace physical property ownership. Instead, he urged investors to consider the implications of tying up large amounts of capital in residential property solely for rental income.
REITs offer another way to access commercial real estate through distributions, potential capital appreciation and professional management. Their exchange listing provides greater flexibility than direct ownership, but does not remove investment risk. The industry’s challenge is to build public understanding and connect India’s expanding commercial property market with a broader base of investors.
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Gold Loans, MSME Credit and Digital Lending: Rakesh Singh on India’s Changing Borrowing Habits
India’s lending landscape is evolving as technology makes credit more accessible and businesses look for faster ways to raise funds. From households using gold as collateral to small businesses seeking formal credit, borrowing is becoming an important part of how individuals and enterprises manage their financial needs.
In a conversation with Vivek Law on The Simple Hai! Show, Rakesh Singh, Executive Director and CEO (NBFC) at Aditya Birla Capital, discussed the growth of gold loans, the credit gap faced by micro, small and medium enterprises (MSMEs), the role of digital platforms in lending, and why responsible borrowing must remain a priority.
Gold Loans: Putting Household Savings to Productive Use
Gold has traditionally been an important form of savings for Indian households. Singh noted that Indian families collectively hold an estimated $5 trillion worth of gold, presenting a significant opportunity for the gold loan market.
According to Singh, the gold loan industry has grown considerably over the past two to three years, partly because rising gold prices have increased the value of the collateral borrowers can offer. He cited an industry size of around ₹19 lakh crore, with NBFCs accounting for approximately ₹4 lakh crore and banks making up the remainder.
Gold loans can help people access funds without selling family jewellery. Singh explained that borrowers often use these loans to invest in their businesses or pay for their children’s education, making them a source of funds for specific financial needs rather than everyday consumption.
He also highlighted the potential in semi-urban and rural areas, as well as Tier 3 and Tier 4 markets, where access to such lending products can expand further.
Trust Is Key to the Gold Loan Business
Borrowing against gold involves more than a financial transaction. For many families, jewellery carries emotional and generational value, making trust an essential part of the process.
Singh said established brands can help customers feel more confident about pledging their gold. Transparency, responsible handling of jewellery and a customer-first approach are important to building that confidence.
He also pointed to a geographical shift in the market. While gold lending was previously concentrated in southern states, Singh said growth is increasingly visible in northern, eastern and central India, including markets such as Delhi-NCR, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan.
For Aditya Birla Capital, entering this segment is an opportunity to expand its lending presence across the country while focusing on customer trust and responsible growth.
MSMEs Continue to Face a Credit Gap
Access to formal credit remains a challenge for many small businesses. Singh observed that some MSMEs continue to borrow from friends, family or local sources, sometimes at significantly higher rates, because they cannot easily access suitable formal financing.
He said banks, NBFCs and fintech companies each have a role to play in addressing this gap. Rather than simply competing with one another, these institutions need to reach different customer segments and offer products suited to their requirements.
Speed is another important factor. For a small business, delays in accessing funds can affect day-to-day operations and growth plans. Lenders therefore need to combine appropriate credit assessment with efficient processes.
Singh also shared that approximately 57–58% of Aditya Birla Capital’s loan book, which he referred to as around ₹1.70 lakh crore during the discussion, was directed towards MSMEs.
How Digital Platforms Are Changing Lending
Digital infrastructure is making it easier for lenders to assess small businesses that may previously have had limited access to formal credit.
Singh highlighted the role of digital payments, Aadhaar-based verification, PAN linkages, GST records and credit bureau information in helping lenders understand customers and their financial activity. As more businesses use digital payment systems, lenders can gain a clearer picture of their transactions and banking behaviour.
Aditya Birla Capital developed its Udyog Plus digital platform to serve MSMEs. Singh said the platform had close to 2.4 million registered businesses at the time of the conversation.
Through digital processes, some smaller loans can be assessed, approved and disbursed within minutes. Larger or more complex applications may still require intervention from branches and credit managers.
Digital platforms can also help businesses access services beyond financing, including support related to accounting and human resources.
Digital Lending Must Be Matched With Responsible Borrowing
Technology has made it easier for customers to access credit, including through digital platforms and financing options offered during online purchases. However, Singh cautioned that easier access to loans also brings risks.
When customers take multiple loans from different lenders, their overall debt burden can rise. Singh stressed that lenders need to monitor a borrower’s leverage not just when approving a loan, but also after the money has been disbursed.
For borrowers, understanding repayment capacity is equally important. People should assess how much they can repay, when their income is likely to arrive and whether the repayment schedule suits their financial circumstances. This can be particularly important for those with irregular or seasonal earnings.
Singh also emphasised the importance of awareness around credit scores and repayment discipline. Delayed payments can affect a borrower’s credit record and future access to loans.
The Future of Lending Depends on Access and Awareness
India’s growing economy, expanding digital infrastructure and changing borrowing needs are creating opportunities for lenders. Gold loans can help households unlock funds against an existing asset, while better access to formal credit can support small businesses.
But greater access alone is not enough. As Singh explained, lenders must understand the customer segments they serve, manage risks carefully and ensure that credit reaches borrowers whose needs and repayment capacity align with the product.
For borrowers, the message is equally clear: a loan should serve a financial purpose, and taking one should always involve a clear understanding of its cost and repayment obligations.
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Simple Hai! @ 100: Celebrating a Milestone in Making Finance Simple
From financial awareness to financial confidence, Simple Hai! marks 100 episodes with a celebration of conversations, learning and the people behind the journey. A hundred episodes is more than a number. For Simple Hai!, it represents years of conversations aimed at making money easier to understand. The milestone was celebrated with the Simple Hai! @ 100 event, bringing together the people who have shaped, supported and powered the show. The celebration reflected on the journey of building a financial education platform around one simple idea: finance does not have to feel complicated.
From Awareness To Confidence
Over its journey, Simple Hai! has explored subjects ranging from investing and wealth creation to retirement planning and everyday money decisions.
The show’s conversations have also reflected how India’s financial landscape has changed.
Mutual funds, investing and personal finance have become more accessible to younger audiences. Digital platforms have further changed how people learn about money.
The show has reached audiences beyond India’s major metros, with viewers across more than 15 countries.
It has also crossed 38 million impressions and nearly 5 million views, reflecting the growing demand for accessible financial education.
The People Behind Simple Hai!
The celebration also recognised the team working behind the camera.
Co-founders Aparna Joshi, Harish Patil and Deepak Karna joined Law during the event, highlighting the collaborative effort behind the platform.
The wider OneNative Studio team was also brought on stage as part of the celebration.
That moment reinforced an important part of the show’s journey.
A finance platform may have a host at the centre, but building 100 episodes requires researchers, producers, editors, designers and everyone working behind the scenes.
A Conversation With Ashishkumar Chauhan
Ashishkumar Chauhan, MD and CEO of the National Stock Exchange, also joined the celebrations through a conversation and message recognising the milestone.
He highlighted the role of financial media in making investment conversations more accessible.
The discussion also looked at how Indian investors have changed over the years.
Law recalled a time when mutual funds were far less familiar to ordinary investors. Today, financial products and investment information are significantly more accessible.
The challenge has consequently shifted from access to understanding.
The Philosophy Behind The Show
One recurring idea from the celebration was the importance of knowledge.
A story from India’s financial markets captured that philosophy particularly well.
Veteran brokers once suggested that while people may worship Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth, they should remember Saraswati, the goddess of knowledge, every day.
For Simple Hai!, that idea fits the journey.
Financial confidence cannot come only from having access to products. It also requires knowledge, discipline and the confidence to ask questions.
What’s Next For Simple Hai!?
Reaching 100 episodes is being treated as a milestone rather than a finish line.
The platform plans to explore artificial intelligence and other technologies to make financial education more accessible.
The newly launched Simple Hai! website will also bring together its podcasts and financial education content.
As the show enters its next phase, its central promise remains unchanged.
Make finance simpler. Make financial conversations more accessible. And help more Indians become confident with their money.
For Simple Hai!, 100 episodes are therefore less about looking back and more about asking what comes next.
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